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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Nov 5, 2012 9:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: It's time to decide - move forward or fall back?

"We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children."

I don't see anything in there about exceptions. Feel free to educate me..

Here's the link: http://www.gop.com/2012-republican-platform_We/

This post was modified by snow_and_rain on 2012-11-05 17:58:30

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Poster: cosmicharIie Date: Nov 5, 2012 10:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: It's time to decide - move forward or fall back?

The full text

The Sanctity and Dignity of Human Life

Faithful to the “self-evident” truths enshrined in the Declaration of Independence, we assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children. We oppose using public revenues to promote or perform abortion or fund organizations which perform or advocate it and will not fund or subsidize health care which includes abortion coverage. We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human life. We oppose the non-consensual withholding or withdrawal of care or treatment, including food and water, from people with disabilities, including newborns, as well as the elderly and infirm, just as we oppose active and passive euthanasia and assisted suicide.

Republican leadership has led the effort to prohibit the barbaric practice of partial-birth abortion and permitted States to extend health care coverage to children before birth. We urge Congress to strengthen the Born Alive Infant Protection Act by enacting appropriate civil and criminal penalties on healthcare providers who fail to provide treatment and care to an infant who survives an abortion, including early induction delivery where the death of the infant is intended. We call for legislation to ban sex-selective abortions – gender discrimination in its most lethal form – and to protect from abortion unborn children who are capable of feeling pain; and we applaud U.S. House Republicans for leading the effort to protect the lives of pain-capable unborn children in the District of Columbia. We call for a ban on the use of body parts from aborted fetuses for research. We support and applaud adult stem cell research to develop lifesaving therapies, and we oppose the killing of embryos for their stem cells. We oppose federal funding of embryonic stem cell research.

We also salute the many States that have passed laws for informed consent, mandatory waiting periods prior to an abortion, and health-protective clinic regulation. We seek to protect young girls from exploitation through a parental consent requirement; and we affirm our moral obligation to assist, rather than penalize, women challenged by an unplanned pregnancy. We salute those who provide them with counseling and adoption alternatives and empower them to choose life, and we take comfort in the tremendous increase in adoptions that has followed Republican legislative initiatives.

So this is where you defer?
we assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed.

I also read the full txt above, it mentions "pain-capable unborn children" I also oppose capital punishment and personally oppose all abortion.

Oh, and my other post was sincere, with a touch of sarcasm in that it's a shame that some with no morals actually vote. To hell with tax supported Planned Parenthood, let George Soros and private contributions pay for it. Oh and NPR also

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Nov 5, 2012 11:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: It's time to decide - move forward or fall back?

I'm no lawyer, but it seems to me that to apply the 14th amendment to "unborn children" is the same as outlawing abortion in all circumstances. It sound real nice to extend personhood and citizenship to fetuses, but this sets up a situation where pregnant women will at best have to fight legal battles to have abortions that might save their lives.

This is not some abstract thing to me, someone I am close to was in a situation where an abortion might have made a difference in saving her life. She didn't have the abortion, partly because she didn't have accurate information about the cancer, and has a healthy child, but the disease advanced through her system during those intervening months and as a result she may not live much longer.

Banning abortion might make you feel good, but we ignore these stark realities at our own peril.

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Poster: cosmicharIie Date: Nov 5, 2012 5:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: It's time to decide - move forward or fall back?

did she want an abortion, but was refused one? Or did she want a healthy child and choose (by refusing chemo/radiation) to have that child?

That would have been her free choice and if that's what happened, she is a hero in my eyes.

How does she feel about it now? Does she still have prefered an abortion?

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Nov 5, 2012 8:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: It's time to decide - move forward or fall back?

No, she never wanted one. But she never really had to make the choice because the doctor misdiagnosed her and didn't catch the cancer. They didn't find it until they were already performing an emergency c-section, at which point they also took out the cancer. The entire thing was rather emotional as you might imagine. My point, and one that she has made many times, is that she doesn't know what she would have done if she'd known, but hopes that she would have at least been given that choice.